Guests: Rand Simberg, Bill Simon. Topics: Evoloterra Ceremony and our Moon landing July 20, 1969, current HSF issue. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience. We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon, co-authors of Evoloterra which commemorated when we first left planet Earth and landed on another planet. To follow along with us with the ceremony, visit www.evoloterra.com. During the first segment of our 1 hour 51 minute program, Rand and Bill explained the significance of the July 20, 1969 date and their Evoloterra ceremony. Rand also said that our earlier Moon program was a dead end path and that we will not be going back to the Moon the way we did Apollo. This comment provided an overriding theme throughout the program as Rand explained why large unaffordable rockets were not the way to do things when we could do smaller rockets, use fuel depots, and make space more affordable. Bill explained the July 20th significance saying it was the turning point when humans were no longer bound by Earth. Rand and Bill read the Evoloterra introduction which is a passage from an Arthur C. Clarke novel. Bill also pointed out the significance of going to the Moon in peace and that the U.S. made no effort to nationalize or conquer the Moon. Rand and Bill then took us back to the affordable and scalable space program needs and said that our current program was neither affordable or scalable. I asked them both for lessons learned and I bet you won't be surprised by the answer I got. Rand cited SpaceX many times during the program, especially as a model for affordable space and for having a vision. In response to listener questions, Rand said cost was a nonsense issue. Don't miss why he said this multiple times during our program. Near the end of the segment, our guests talked about the myth of Apollo, space leadership issues, and Rand's frequent statement that nobody cares about space which he then demonstrates by the space policies now in play. In Part 2, Rand talked about his USA Today article, "Apollo Program A Flameout At 40" (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/18/apollo-nasa-anniversary...). Rand also mentioned Part 3 of the Brian Berger series on space in the Houston Chronicle (www.houstonchronicle.com/nasa/adrift/3). During this segment, we talked more about the Evoloterra ceremony, how it was modeled on the Seder, & the importance of ritual in helping people remember historical and important events. Later, space property rights came up for discussion, then our guests each gave us closing comments. Rand's summary was that there was a better way than the big rocket. Bill Said Apollo 11 was a water shed event. Post comments/questions on TSS blog. You can contact Rand or Bill through me.