Broadcast 1636 (Special Edition)

The Space Foundation Conference

14 Oct 2011 Jane Reifert
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Guest: Jane Reifert. Topics: Adventure travel with Incredible Adventures including space tourism. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Jane Reifert back to the show to discuss adventure travel, her company Incredible Adventures, space tourism, informed consent and much more. Visit the company website for details and more information about their adventure travel offerings and for contacting Jane with your questions,, also they are on Facebook. We started with Jane providing us with a brief history of the company while letting us know that this month is their 18th anniversary of the first tourist Mig flight by Incredible Adventure. Jane provided us with an interesting history of the Mig flights including the Mig 21, 23, 25 & 29. Flights now use the Mig 29 and can reach an altitude of 70,000 feet which is less than what the Mig 25 could do. Jane spent some time talking about the flight options in the United States but was quick to point out the restrictions that impact these adventures here but not abroad. As you will hear, there are lots of regulations impacting adventure travel and activities in the U.S. that do not exist in other countries. I found her description of shark diving off the San Francisco coast to be fascinating, especially the cage and the regulations in place that overlay this experience. Note what she says about shark diving adventures in S. Africa and the Bahamas. For space tourism, Jane said they would be working with XCOR. They also offer an astronaut training program in Star City which can be customized to your wants, time table, budget, etc. Anthony called in from the UK and wanted to know about adventure shipwreck diving which at this time the company does not offer. Returning to the subject of space tourism, we talked about Incredible Adventures wanting offer the trips in the late 90s for flight around 2001. The delays and missed expectations are still with us as we seem to be getting closer to suborbital tourism operations. We also talked about AST certification and unknowns, high altitude balloon sky diving, zero G flights using a Rockwell Commander business jet. These zero G flights are one on one with the instructor/guide and crew as they only accommodate one passenger at a time. We spent some time discussing most of the adventures listed on their website, then in the final part of the program, we talked with Jane about her experience using waivers and informed consent agreements signed by the customer. Jane had much to say on this issue given her years of experience. If the customer does not sign the forms, there is no adventure available for the would be customer. The waivers and the form describe the risk, avoid liability for the company even with negligence, and for the most part tell the customer that he or she might die no matter what the company does or omits or fails to do. Their forms have been perfected over the years by their company attorneys. She has spoken at space conferences on the subject but not as much as possible given most conferences like her to speak about marketing to the adventure customer. I asked her about the target group for space tourism and she said it was mostly 50 and up. I also asked her about the likelihood of repeat customers. Post your comments & questions on the blog URL above.



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