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Guest: Michael Listner. Topics: Space policy and space law issues. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See For those listening to archives using and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience. We welcomed back Michael Listner for this near end of the year review on space policy and law issues.


During the first segment of this 1 hour 53 minute program, Michael started out with a review and update regarding actions in Congress concerning commercial space legislation and the Resource Utilization Act, plus some space property issues. These topics consumed most of the first segment with active discussions going into the issue of government subsidies which Michael expressed strong feelings about. He got some blow back with listener questions and even from me. He talked about liability issues and the differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill, focusing on federal vs. state jurisdiction. John in Freemont called to inquire about "skin in the game" by the commercial space companies and here again, Michael expressed strong views and options. Doug suggested it would be more appropriate to refer to the commercial in commercial crew as public-private instead of just commercial. Michael supported Doug's comments. In the second segment, Michael switched to the topic of the RD-180 Ban which he explained in detail. Adrian challenged some of Michael's comments on subsidies as well. Michael also spoke out against wanting to cooperate with China in space. Listen to his reasons and explanations behind his perspective. Later in the segment, Andrew in Finland took issue with Michael's comments on not doing things with China and seemed to criticize Cong. Wolf for his congressional lead on not talking with China based on "one religiously-driven representative." This opened up a mini-policy program of not doing business as usual with offenders of basic human rights though as we all know we are very hypocritical about the application of this policy. Michael joined in this mini discussion with Andrew and myself which was the final topic of the day. Earlier in the second segment, commercial crew was discussed as was the European Code of Conduct, the British cubesat regulatory policy, and the fact that Israel joined COPOUS and the House re-authorized the Ex-Im bank. This brought us back to Michael's perspective on subsidies talked about in the first segment. Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above. You can reach Michael Listner through me or his new blog,



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01 Nov 2015 Michael Listner
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