Jonathan Goff was the special guest for this Space Show program. We began the discussion by Jon asking about the possibility of using launch and hardware possibilities for returning to the Moon rather than what NASA is telling us it will use for the VSE. Jon went through several options with the pros and cons. We talked about heavy lift versus using existing EELVs, using earth orbit rendezvous rather than exclusively using lunar orbit rendezvous, and the need for on orbit propellant depots.